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EP436: Let’s Talk About TPA and Health Plan Inertia Instead of Jumbo Employer Inertia, With Elizabeth Mitchell
Relentless Health ValueMay 16, 2024
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41:3338.03 MB

EP436: Let’s Talk About TPA and Health Plan Inertia Instead of Jumbo Employer Inertia, With Elizabeth Mitchell

Listen On Your Favorite App The episode today is somewhat of a follow-on to the show with Lauren Vela, which was episode 406 about employer inertia. If we’re talking about inertia, though, we’d be remiss not to get a little circumspect about the whole affair and subject some other stakeholders to ou...

EP433: The Mystery of the Weekly Claims Wire: What Are Plan Sponsors Actually Paying For Each Week? With Justin Leader
Relentless Health ValueApril 18, 2024
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40:0036.61 MB

EP433: The Mystery of the Weekly Claims Wire: What Are Plan Sponsors Actually Paying For Each Week? With Justin Leader

On the show today, I am going to use the term TPA (third-party administrator) and ASO (administrative services only) vendor kind of interchangeably here. But these are the entities that a plan sponsor—for example, a self-insured employer is a plan sponsor—but these plan sponsors will use to administ...

Encore! EP391: A Case Study for Anyone Trying to Level Up Primary Care That I’m Gonna Call “How Margin Shoves Mission Off the Bus,” With Scott Conard, MD
Relentless Health ValueApril 11, 202436:5333.77 MB

Encore! EP391: A Case Study for Anyone Trying to Level Up Primary Care That I’m Gonna Call “How Margin Shoves Mission Off the Bus,” With Scott Conard, MD

Here’s a great musing that I read on LinkedIn : How will alternative primary care models fare when growth mode gets balanced with profitability and VC-supported burn rate is transformed to Big Retail bottom-line expectations? Mission v. margin. I’m gonna add to this: How will alternative primary car...

EP430: Advice for Digital Health Vendors Selling to Employers, With Barbara Wachsman
Relentless Health ValueMarch 14, 2024
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38:4535.47 MB

EP430: Advice for Digital Health Vendors Selling to Employers, With Barbara Wachsman

We have been spending a bunch of time here on Relentless Health Value talking about PBMs (pharmacy benefit managers) lately and pharmacy benefits, but we are moving into a new topic area. It sort of kicked off three weeks ago with the pod with Rik Renard ( EP427 ) on the importance of care flows if ...

EP429: Following the Dollar Through Pharmacy Acronyms Like WAC, AWP, and NADAC, With Luke Slindee, PharmD
Relentless Health ValueMarch 07, 2024
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38:2052.64 MB

EP429: Following the Dollar Through Pharmacy Acronyms Like WAC, AWP, and NADAC, With Luke Slindee, PharmD

Listen On Your Favorite App In this healthcare podcast we’re talking about pharmacy acronyms or terms like AWP and WAC, and, not really an acronym, but we’ll also talk pharmacy list prices, rebates, discounts. We also have NADAC, but that’s slightly off to the side for reasons we’ll get to in a sec....

EP428: Do-It-Now Advice From the J&J and the DOL v BCBS Lawsuits, With Julie Selesnick
Relentless Health ValueFebruary 29, 2024
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41:5257.49 MB

EP428: Do-It-Now Advice From the J&J and the DOL v BCBS Lawsuits, With Julie Selesnick

This show is different, so if you’ve already listened to or read all about the gory details of the J&J and/or the DOL v BCBS lawsuits, this is not gonna be a repeat of that information. Julie Selesnick, my guest today, does cover the very, very top line about these two cases. But after that, we ...

Encore! EP379: How Much Money, Really, Are Employee Benefit Consultants and/or Brokers Making From Plan Sponsors? With AJ Loiacono
Relentless Health ValueFebruary 15, 202435:1348.35 MB

Encore! EP379: How Much Money, Really, Are Employee Benefit Consultants and/or Brokers Making From Plan Sponsors? With AJ Loiacono

For a full transcript of this episode, click here . Here on Relentless Health Value, we have done a bunch of shows lately on how some weird PBM (pharmacy benefit manager) and pharmacy goings-on impact plan members, patients, and also independent pharmacies. During the conversation with Benjamin Jo...

EP422: Some Indie Pharmacy Upshots That Surprised Me—and I Thought I Was Pretty in the Know, With Benjamin Jolley, PharmD
Relentless Health ValueJanuary 04, 2024
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36:4350.42 MB

EP422: Some Indie Pharmacy Upshots That Surprised Me—and I Thought I Was Pretty in the Know, With Benjamin Jolley, PharmD

For a full transcript of this episode, click here . Listen to this show as either a follow-on or a prequel to the shows with Mark Cuban and Ferrin Williams, PharmD, MBA ( EP418 ) and Ge Bai, PhD, CPA ( EP420 ). And if you’re interested in this “what’s going on in the world of PBM...

EP418: Mark Cuban With Some Advice for CEOs and CFOs of Self-insured Employers, With Mark Cuban and Ferrin Williams, PharmD, MBA, From Scripta
Relentless Health ValueNovember 16, 2023
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54:4275.11 MB

EP418: Mark Cuban With Some Advice for CEOs and CFOs of Self-insured Employers, With Mark Cuban and Ferrin Williams, PharmD, MBA, From Scripta

For a full transcript of this episode, click here . CEOs and CFOs … hey, this show is for you. Let’s start here: What do all of these numbers have in common: $140,000, $3 million, $35 million, and $3 billion? These are all actual examples of how much employers, unions, and some pu...

EP408: Who’s Suing Who? An Overview of Healthcare Legal Goings-on, With Chris Deacon
Relentless Health ValueJune 15, 2023
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39:4354.53 MB

EP408: Who’s Suing Who? An Overview of Healthcare Legal Goings-on, With Chris Deacon

I couldn’t resist the “who’s suing who” because, yeah, you can’t go wrong with Aretha Franklin references. Back on the pod we have Chris Deacon, who is going to give us a rundown of the legal goings-on going on right now that impact self-insured employers, carriers, h...

EP406: The Inertia Show: 5 Excellent Reasons for the “Why” With the Inertia in Benefits Departments, With Lauren Vela
Relentless Health ValueJune 01, 2023
406
32:1144.19 MB

EP406: The Inertia Show: 5 Excellent Reasons for the “Why” With the Inertia in Benefits Departments, With Lauren Vela

Listen On Your Favorite App I’m gonna run through the five reasons Lauren Vela talks about in this healthcare podcast for the “why” with the inertia in benefits departments of self-insured employers. But before I do, let me report that, in sum, they add up to … in many cases, benefits folks sit betw...

EP397: The Minefield That Is a PBM Contract and Also Some Advice for EBCs Who Are Taking Money Under the Table, With Paul Holmes

EP397: The Minefield That Is a PBM Contract and Also Some Advice for EBCs Who Are Taking Money Under the Table, With Paul Holmes

Listen on Your Favorite App If this were a video show, I would stare into the camera with steely eyeballs right now and say that I have a special message for employer CFOs. If you aren’t a CFO, pretend that you are so that you get the full effect here. So, now that we’re all CFOs, let’s pull up the ...

EP149: Overpaying for Healthcare vs Full-Day Kindergarten & Raises for Teachers, with Richard Steinhart, Former School Board Officer
Relentless Health ValueAugust 24, 201732:4244.89 MB

EP149: Overpaying for Healthcare vs Full-Day Kindergarten & Raises for Teachers, with Richard Steinhart, Former School Board Officer

Mr. Steinhart has had a distinguished career as an entrepreneur, investor and executive in the healthcare industry. He has been instrumental in starting or investing in many technology-based companies, several of which have developed products that have become the standard of care in their respective...

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