Relentless Health Value

American Healthcare Entrepreneurs and Execs you might want to know. Talking. Relentless Health Value is a weekly interview podcast hosted by Stacey Richter, a healthcare entrepreneur celebrating fifteen years in the business side of healthcare. This show is for leaders in pharma, devices, payers, providers, patient advocacy and healthcare business. It's for health industry innovators, entrepreneurs or wantrepreneurs or intrapreneurs. Relentless Healthcare Value is the show for you if you want to connect with others trying to manage the triple play: to provide healthcare value while being personally and professionally fulfilled.

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EP505: The Death of the "What Is Value" Guessing Game for Clinical and Plan Decision-Makers Ready to Move On, With Ahilan Sivaganesan, MD
Relentless Health ValueApril 02, 2026
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44:0240.31 MB

EP505: The Death of the "What Is Value" Guessing Game for Clinical and Plan Decision-Makers Ready to Move On, With Ahilan Sivaganesan, MD

Listen On Your Favorite App Hello, Relentless Tribe. Thank you so much for showing up today. All right … to start, let me lay out the goal of the episode today. This episode is for you if you are a self-funded employer looking to ensure your members are steered and tiered to real high-value care and...

EP504: A Back-to-Basics Roadmap Through the Perverse Incentives to Advanced Primary Care, With Ryan Jacobs
Relentless Health ValueMarch 26, 2026
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33:3630.76 MB

EP504: A Back-to-Basics Roadmap Through the Perverse Incentives to Advanced Primary Care, With Ryan Jacobs

Listen On Your Favorite App It's been a while since we started from the beginning, so let's just take stock of the basics in this show, refresh ourselves if you're a longtime listener, or welcome if you're new around here. Today we are digging on and about what I would call the poster child for prov...

INBW46: Relentless Tribe Goings-On With Insights to Outwit the Hot Mess of the Non-Healthcare Market
Relentless Health ValueMarch 19, 202619:3717.96 MB

INBW46: Relentless Tribe Goings-On With Insights to Outwit the Hot Mess of the Non-Healthcare Market

Listen On Your Favorite App This inbetweenisode I wanna try something new for two reasons. One of them is that I need to check this episode off my to-do list because I am crushed for time. I'm going to be headed to Arizona tomorrow for the Collective Health Conference , which will have occurred thre...

EP503: Let's Go From Lazy PPO Networks to Smart Collaboration With Direct-to-Employer Specialty Care, With Ryan Wells; Leo Spector, MD, MBA; and Adam Stavisky
Relentless Health ValueMarch 12, 2026
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46:1642.35 MB

EP503: Let's Go From Lazy PPO Networks to Smart Collaboration With Direct-to-Employer Specialty Care, With Ryan Wells; Leo Spector, MD, MBA; and Adam Stavisky

Listen On Your Favorite App Today we are digging into something I've said probably way too often: Collaboration is the next breakthrough innovation. And I'm doubling down on this because in the current healthcare landscape, two parties that actually should be talking—like burning up the phone wires ...

EP502: How Some Pretty Wild Medicare Fraud Sabotages ACOs and Also Independent Practices and Could Cost Plan Sponsors Such as Self-insured Employers a Lot of Zeros Downstream, With Brian Machut
Relentless Health ValueMarch 05, 2026
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38:5835.67 MB

EP502: How Some Pretty Wild Medicare Fraud Sabotages ACOs and Also Independent Practices and Could Cost Plan Sponsors Such as Self-insured Employers a Lot of Zeros Downstream, With Brian Machut

You know, I always kind of wondered what the hackers were doing with all of the medical data that they've managed to get their mitts on over the past, I don't know, however many years. Now, I know at least one thing. If you're a hacker, you can use your stolen medical data to not actually send wildl...

EP501: Speaking of Infusions, Do You Want to Pay $135 or Do You Want to Pay $13,560 for the Exact Same Drug? With Ivana Krajcinovic, PhD
Relentless Health ValueFebruary 26, 2026
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39:5736.57 MB

EP501: Speaking of Infusions, Do You Want to Pay $135 or Do You Want to Pay $13,560 for the Exact Same Drug? With Ivana Krajcinovic, PhD

Let us chat about today the inches all around us and also about how there is no market in healthcare all at once in this show. Today I am talking with Ivana Krajcinovic. And let me give you some examples of the inches. Two members of a plan get infusions at a hospital. And if these two members had g...

Take Two: EP398: Why Are Commercial Carrier Marketplaces Completely Boring? Maybe Because There Isn't a Marketplace, With Jacob Asher, MD
Relentless Health ValueFebruary 19, 202634:5231.91 MB

Take Two: EP398: Why Are Commercial Carrier Marketplaces Completely Boring? Maybe Because There Isn't a Marketplace, With Jacob Asher, MD

We have been doing a little series called "The Inches Are All Around Us," digging out waste in the $5.6 trillion healthcare sector where half an inch of waste can equal billions of dollars. I'm going to right now introduce another series that is complementary but has a slightly different focus. And ...

EP500: This Is Episode 500, and It's All About You, Tribe
Relentless Health ValueFebruary 12, 2026
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38:2135.11 MB

EP500: This Is Episode 500, and It's All About You, Tribe

Listen On Your Favorite App This episode would not be happening, to be frank, if Cora Opsahl hadn't asked me what my plans were for episode 500. A few weeks ago, we were in the lobby bar at the legendary Hotel Chelsea—Sid Vicious, Patti Smith, you know the place. In our defense, the Hotel Chelsea is...

EP499: Self-insured Employers and Other Plan Sponsors Are Paying Millions for MSK (Musculoskeletal) Injuries That Would Have Healed Themselves, With Jay Kimmel, MD
Relentless Health ValueFebruary 05, 2026
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28:0425.7 MB

EP499: Self-insured Employers and Other Plan Sponsors Are Paying Millions for MSK (Musculoskeletal) Injuries That Would Have Healed Themselves, With Jay Kimmel, MD

Hello, all you and the Relentless Health Tribe trying to figure out how to do right by patients and the folks footing the bill. Welcome to it. This is episode 499, one episode before episode 500. So, come back next week for that one. Listen on Your Favorite App All right, so today, let's talk about ...

EP498: The Payment Integrity Arms Race—RCM (Revenue Cycle Management) and Plan Sponsors, With Mark Noel
Relentless Health ValueJanuary 29, 2026
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34:3531.65 MB

EP498: The Payment Integrity Arms Race—RCM (Revenue Cycle Management) and Plan Sponsors, With Mark Noel

Listen On Your Favorite App This episode is part of the "Inches Are All Around Us" series because … yeah, you'll see why fast enough. So, last week or two weeks ago, if you listened to that episode about clearinghouses with Zack Kanter ( EP497 ), you may or may not recall. And if you didn't listen t...

Take Two: EP341: The "Just Spend Everything You're Given" Trap—Lessons in True Provider Fiscal Discipline, With Gary Campbell
Relentless Health ValueJanuary 22, 202636:5633.8 MB

Take Two: EP341: The "Just Spend Everything You're Given" Trap—Lessons in True Provider Fiscal Discipline, With Gary Campbell

Listen On Your Favorite App This episode is part of the "Inches Are All Around Us" series looking for all the little pockets—inches, if you will—that comprise the greater than $1 trillion in healthcare waste in this country annually. For a full transcript of this episode, click here . If you enjoy t...

EP497: What You Don't Know About Healthcare Transactions and Clearinghouses Could Cost You, With Zack Kanter
Relentless Health ValueJanuary 15, 2026
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38:2735.2 MB

EP497: What You Don't Know About Healthcare Transactions and Clearinghouses Could Cost You, With Zack Kanter

Listen On Your Favorite App Okay. This show today is part of our Relentless Health Value "The Inches Are All Around Us" series. This Inches Talk is a metaphor for finding all those little places where there is healthcare waste as a first step in an effort to excise all these little pockets of waste....

EP496: Plan Sponsors Spend About $1.20 to Buy $1 of Healthcare, and Clinical Organizations Receive 80¢ for Every $1.20 Spent, With Mark Newman
Relentless Health ValueJanuary 08, 2026
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36:3433.48 MB

EP496: Plan Sponsors Spend About $1.20 to Buy $1 of Healthcare, and Clinical Organizations Receive 80¢ for Every $1.20 Spent, With Mark Newman

I'm gonna do a little series here called "The Inches Are All Around Us," and in this series, at least to start, all of the inches I'm gonna mention are full-on administrative waste—waste that is particularly egregious because it has nothing to do with patient care. That's why when Shane Cerone said,...

INBW45: Extremely Actionable Themes That We Covered Throughout 2025
Relentless Health ValueDecember 31, 202523:1721.3 MB

INBW45: Extremely Actionable Themes That We Covered Throughout 2025

Listen On Your Favorite App What I thought could be a good idea to experiment with here at the end of the year or the beginning of the year is to dissect shows from 2025 and distill out the major themes that have come up repeatedly and in different contexts throughout the year. Our big five takeaway...

INBW44: The Relentless Health Value Themes That We Covered Throughout 2025—A Recap, Part 1
Relentless Health ValueDecember 24, 202523:4021.66 MB

INBW44: The Relentless Health Value Themes That We Covered Throughout 2025—A Recap, Part 1

Listen On Your Favorite App So, this is new. What I thought could be a good idea to experiment with here is instead of bringing up, I was gonna say, new concepts, then I thought better of it because there's nothing new in this world. But as I reflect on 2025, what occurs to me, there have been certa...

Encore! EP450: When Your Health Plan Is $9 Million in the Hole, Who Are You Going to Call? A CPA. And Tell Them to Bring Their Spreadsheets, With Marilyn Bartlett, CPA, CMA, CFM, CGMA
Relentless Health ValueDecember 18, 202535:0432.1 MB

Encore! EP450: When Your Health Plan Is $9 Million in the Hole, Who Are You Going to Call? A CPA. And Tell Them to Bring Their Spreadsheets, With Marilyn Bartlett, CPA, CMA, CFM, CGMA

Listen On Your Favorite App Marilyn Bartlett is the real deal. I saw Marilyn get a lifetime achievement award last year at RosettaFest from Dave Chase, and then I actually had the pleasure of getting up on the stage with her and heard that round of applause. But it takes guts to push for fiscal disc...

EP495: Wait … Flip That—A Crazy Revelation I Had About Trying to Fix U.S. Healthcare, With Mick Connors, MD
Relentless Health ValueDecember 11, 2025
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33:0130.22 MB

EP495: Wait … Flip That—A Crazy Revelation I Had About Trying to Fix U.S. Healthcare, With Mick Connors, MD

Listen On Your Favorite App Relentless Health Value tribe, in this conversation that follows with Dr. Mick Connors, I had a barnstormer of a revelation—one I have never heard anyone talk about before … like, ever. It's a major fundamental bottom line, though, about the U.S. healthcare system—an insi...

EP494: Six Tensions of Pharmaceutical Drug Pricing, With Sarah Emond
Relentless Health ValueDecember 04, 2025
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39:5936.59 MB

EP494: Six Tensions of Pharmaceutical Drug Pricing, With Sarah Emond

Listen On Your Favorite App I was out drinking martinis with Cora Opsahl, director of 32BJ Health Fund , and Cora said, "Look, most plan sponsors' biggest expense is health system spend, hospital spend." I know this is an unexpected start to an episode about pharmaceutical pricing and value featurin...

Bonus Add-on for EP494: Who Is ICER and What Is the Arms Race of Pharmaceutical Pricing That the Status Quo Has Created? With Sarah Emond
Relentless Health ValueDecember 04, 202511:5010.82 MB

Bonus Add-on for EP494: Who Is ICER and What Is the Arms Race of Pharmaceutical Pricing That the Status Quo Has Created? With Sarah Emond

Listen On Your Favorite App Not gonna give much of an introduction here because this is a short bonus level set, but I did just wanna call everyone's attention to the "arms race" created by our status quo purchasing and selling of many things, pharmaceuticals included. For a full transcript of this ...

INBW43: Five Baskets of Thank Yous to Hand Out, Along With a Plug for Big Demand Curve Energy
Relentless Health ValueNovember 26, 202516:3415.17 MB

INBW43: Five Baskets of Thank Yous to Hand Out, Along With a Plug for Big Demand Curve Energy

Listen On Your Favorite App This episode is gonna drop on Thanksgiving, but whenever you are listening, I'd like to suggest taking this moment to be grateful. Everybody has someone to be thankful for: colleagues, our mentors, our cheerleaders, our support system, our community, our strategic allianc...

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EP505: The Death of the "What Is Value" Guessing Game for Clinical and Plan Decision-Makers Ready to Move On, With Ahilan Sivaganesan, MD
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EP505: The Death of the "What Is Value" Guessing Game for Clinical and Plan Decision-Makers Ready to Move On, With Ahilan Sivaganesan, MD

Listen On Your Favorite App Hello, Relentless Tribe. Thank you so much for showing up today. All right … to start, let me lay out the goal of the episode today. This episode is for you if you are a self-funded employer looking to ensure your members are steered and tiered to real high-value care and...

EP504: A Back-to-Basics Roadmap Through the Perverse Incentives to Advanced Primary Care, With Ryan Jacobs
Relentless Health ValueMarch 26, 2026
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EP504: A Back-to-Basics Roadmap Through the Perverse Incentives to Advanced Primary Care, With Ryan Jacobs

Listen On Your Favorite App It's been a while since we started from the beginning, so let's just take stock of the basics in this show, refresh ourselves if you're a longtime listener, or welcome if you're new around here. Today we are digging on and about what I would call the poster child for prov...

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Listen On Your Favorite App This inbetweenisode I wanna try something new for two reasons. One of them is that I need to check this episode off my to-do list because I am crushed for time. I'm going to be headed to Arizona tomorrow for the Collective Health Conference , which will have occurred thre...

EP503: Let's Go From Lazy PPO Networks to Smart Collaboration With Direct-to-Employer Specialty Care, With Ryan Wells; Leo Spector, MD, MBA; and Adam Stavisky
Relentless Health ValueMarch 12, 2026
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Listen On Your Favorite App Today we are digging into something I've said probably way too often: Collaboration is the next breakthrough innovation. And I'm doubling down on this because in the current healthcare landscape, two parties that actually should be talking—like burning up the phone wires ...

EP502: How Some Pretty Wild Medicare Fraud Sabotages ACOs and Also Independent Practices and Could Cost Plan Sponsors Such as Self-insured Employers a Lot of Zeros Downstream, With Brian Machut
Relentless Health ValueMarch 05, 2026
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EP502: How Some Pretty Wild Medicare Fraud Sabotages ACOs and Also Independent Practices and Could Cost Plan Sponsors Such as Self-insured Employers a Lot of Zeros Downstream, With Brian Machut

You know, I always kind of wondered what the hackers were doing with all of the medical data that they've managed to get their mitts on over the past, I don't know, however many years. Now, I know at least one thing. If you're a hacker, you can use your stolen medical data to not actually send wildl...

EP501: Speaking of Infusions, Do You Want to Pay $135 or Do You Want to Pay $13,560 for the Exact Same Drug? With Ivana Krajcinovic, PhD
Relentless Health ValueFebruary 26, 2026
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EP501: Speaking of Infusions, Do You Want to Pay $135 or Do You Want to Pay $13,560 for the Exact Same Drug? With Ivana Krajcinovic, PhD

Let us chat about today the inches all around us and also about how there is no market in healthcare all at once in this show. Today I am talking with Ivana Krajcinovic. And let me give you some examples of the inches. Two members of a plan get infusions at a hospital. And if these two members had g...

Take Two: EP398: Why Are Commercial Carrier Marketplaces Completely Boring? Maybe Because There Isn't a Marketplace, With Jacob Asher, MD
Relentless Health ValueFebruary 19, 202634:5231.91 MB

Take Two: EP398: Why Are Commercial Carrier Marketplaces Completely Boring? Maybe Because There Isn't a Marketplace, With Jacob Asher, MD

We have been doing a little series called "The Inches Are All Around Us," digging out waste in the $5.6 trillion healthcare sector where half an inch of waste can equal billions of dollars. I'm going to right now introduce another series that is complementary but has a slightly different focus. And ...

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