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EP457: It’s a Big Thing: Medical Spread Pricing. So, Let’s Talk About Contract Transparency, With Cynthia Fisher
December 05, 2024
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34:1531.35 MB

EP457: It’s a Big Thing: Medical Spread Pricing. So, Let’s Talk About Contract Transparency, With Cynthia Fisher

I’m putting a meme in the show notes. It’s my second meme ever, so I’m clearly on a roll. As you can see, it’s a picture of two kids taking a test; and the one kid is cheating off the other kid. It’s a How to Do Spread Pricing test, and the kid with carrier has his eyes all over the PBM kid’s test....

Encore! EP418: Mark Cuban With a PSA for CEOs and CFOs of Self-insured Employers, With Mark Cuban and Ferrin Williams, PharmD, MBA, From Scripta
November 21, 202456:1651.51 MB

Encore! EP418: Mark Cuban With a PSA for CEOs and CFOs of Self-insured Employers, With Mark Cuban and Ferrin Williams, PharmD, MBA, From Scripta

This show from last year was one of the most popular episodes of the past year. And it’s also extremely relevant right now, given all of the PBM (pharmacy benefit manager) goings-on, as well as ongoing litigation like the J&J lawsuit , etc. Listen to the show with Julie Selesnick ( EP428 ) for ...

Encore! EP415: Some Jumbo Employers Buying Better Healthcare Outcomes While Saving 15% on Total Cost of Care, With Rob Andrews
November 14, 202439:3936.29 MB

Encore! EP415: Some Jumbo Employers Buying Better Healthcare Outcomes While Saving 15% on Total Cost of Care, With Rob Andrews

This encore is very relevant after the shows with Cora Opsahl ( EP452 ), Claire Brockbank ( EP453 ), and Marilyn Bartlett ( EP450 ). Getting better health for the 160 million Americans covered by commercial insurance is all about rates, rights, and power. For a full transcript of this episode, clic...

EP453: Running a TPA (Third-Party Administrator) RFP Process That Is Less of a Wild West Fiduciary Shootout, With Claire Brockbank
October 17, 2024
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EP453: Running a TPA (Third-Party Administrator) RFP Process That Is Less of a Wild West Fiduciary Shootout, With Claire Brockbank

TPA stands for third-party administrator. RFP stands for request for proposal. I’m kicking off the show today with a review that we got recently on Apple Podcasts, and not just because it’s a really nice review. It’s because it’s relevant on about nine levels to the show today with Claire Brockbank...

EP452: Fiduciary Duty vs the Healthcare Status Quo, With Cora Opsahl
October 10, 2024
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EP452: Fiduciary Duty vs the Healthcare Status Quo, With Cora Opsahl

Last time Cora Opsahl was on the show, Michelle Bernabe, RN, KAT, wrote a comment on LinkedIn I thought encapsulated the gist of it all so well. She wrote, “[Cora] first became a mentor/ally through Relentless Health Value episode 372 . … It opened a doorway to a whole group of very relentless peop...

The Euphemism That Has Become Value-Based Care, With Elizabeth Mitchell—Summer Shorts 9
August 29, 202417:1415.77 MB

The Euphemism That Has Become Value-Based Care, With Elizabeth Mitchell—Summer Shorts 9

I was talking to one health plan sponsor, and she told me if she sees any charges for value-based care anything on any one of the contracts that get handed to her, she crosses them off so fast it’s like her superpower. For a full transcript of this episode, click here . If you enjoy this podcast, b...

EP445: Can a Primary-Care-Only Practice Survive in 2024? With Tom X. Lee, MD
July 25, 2024
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EP445: Can a Primary-Care-Only Practice Survive in 2024? With Tom X. Lee, MD

In this healthcare podcast, I am talking with Tom X. Lee, MD, who has a long history in primary care. He founded One Medical and then also, most recently, Galileo. Dr. Lee also was a founder at Epocrates (tossing that in for context). For a full transcript of this episode, click here . If you enjoy...

Encore! EP397: The Minefield That Is a PBM Contract and Also Some Advice for EBCs Who Are Taking Money Under the Table, With Paul Holmes
July 18, 202434:1531.35 MB

Encore! EP397: The Minefield That Is a PBM Contract and Also Some Advice for EBCs Who Are Taking Money Under the Table, With Paul Holmes

Today is an encore because I am going on vacation next week. It always feels a little bit like a time warp because by the time this show will air, I will be back from vacation. This show with Paul Holmes was one of the most popular episodes of 2023 and definitely is just as relevant now. A lot of t...

EP442: A Short Rumination on Saving Money, Except Not Saving Money. Oncology Side Effect Management as a Case Study, With Andreas Mang
June 27, 2024
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EP442: A Short Rumination on Saving Money, Except Not Saving Money. Oncology Side Effect Management as a Case Study, With Andreas Mang

This week, I’m gonna play an outtake, I guess it could be called, from the show with Andreas Mang from Blackstone that we wound up cutting for reasons of time and topic; but it’s been on my mind ever since. So, here’s this clip; and then I’m gonna invite you to partake in my ruminations because the...

EP436: Let’s Talk About TPA and Health Plan Inertia Instead of Jumbo Employer Inertia, With Elizabeth Mitchell
May 16, 2024
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EP436: Let’s Talk About TPA and Health Plan Inertia Instead of Jumbo Employer Inertia, With Elizabeth Mitchell

The episode today is somewhat of a follow-on to the show with Lauren Vela, which was episode 406 about employer inertia. If we’re talking about inertia, though, we’d be remiss not to get a little circumspect about the whole affair and subject some other stakeholders to our microscope. For a full tr...

EP433: The Mystery of the Weekly Claims Wire: What Are Plan Sponsors Actually Paying For Each Week? With Justin Leader
April 18, 2024
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EP433: The Mystery of the Weekly Claims Wire: What Are Plan Sponsors Actually Paying For Each Week? With Justin Leader

On the show today, I am going to use the term TPA (third-party administrator) and ASO (administrative services only) vendor kind of interchangeably here. But these are the entities that a plan sponsor—for example, a self-insured employer is a plan sponsor—but these plan sponsors will use to adminis...

EP431: How Accountability for Outcomes Works in the Real World With Kenny Cole, MD
March 21, 2024
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EP431: How Accountability for Outcomes Works in the Real World With Kenny Cole, MD

There’s this meme that’s going around on the interwebs with the caption, “Sometimes the shortest distance in between two places isn’t a straight line.” What? Yeah, because actually there’s three dimensions in the real world. So, when we all consider the real world, understanding the contours of rea...

EP421: Wildly Improving Outcomes When the Patient Is, for Reals, in the Center—For Maternity and Beyond, With Jodilyn Owen
December 14, 2023
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EP421: Wildly Improving Outcomes When the Patient Is, for Reals, in the Center—For Maternity and Beyond, With Jodilyn Owen

For a full transcript of this episode, click here . I want to kick off this show with a clip from episode 415 with Rob Andrews, wherein he so very eloquently sets the stage here: We think that one of the core problems here is that too many intermediaries and providers in the system, their compe...

EP419: The Financialization of Health Benefits for Boards of Directors and C-Suites of Self-Insured Employers, With Andreas Mang
November 30, 2023
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EP419: The Financialization of Health Benefits for Boards of Directors and C-Suites of Self-Insured Employers, With Andreas Mang

Are you on the board of directors of a company? Or are you a shareholder of a publicly traded company? Or are you a CEO or a CFO who reports to a board of directors or these shareholders? Well, this show is for you. And it’s about how the healthcare industry has become financialized at the same tim...

Encore! EP365: The Real Deal With PBM Contracts and Drug Rebates, With Scott Haas
June 22, 202333:0545.42 MB

Encore! EP365: The Real Deal With PBM Contracts and Drug Rebates, With Scott Haas

I hope you enjoy this encore episode of one of the most popular shows in the last 12 months. One of my mentors often said price is irrelevant. He said he would sell anything for any price as long as he could define the terms of the deal. During this conversation today with Scott Haas about PBMs (...

EP390: What Legislators Need to Know About Hospital Prices, With Gloria Sachdev, PharmD, and Chris Skisak, PhD
January 12, 2023
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EP390: What Legislators Need to Know About Hospital Prices, With Gloria Sachdev, PharmD, and Chris Skisak, PhD

If you go to the Sage Transparency dashboard Web site , you get a really graphical representation of the prices that any given hospital actually needs to charge so that they break even. You can see precisely which hospitals are operating on thin margins and which ones are not. You might be thinki...

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EP476: Talking Whistleblowing and the Pharma Rebates Whistleblower Case With an Actual Whistleblower, With Ann Lewandowski
May 15, 2025
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EP476: Talking Whistleblowing and the Pharma Rebates Whistleblower Case With an Actual Whistleblower, With Ann Lewandowski

Alright, first off, let me calm down any attorneys right outta the gate here. We will not be talking about—at all—the legal activity that is currently ongoing that my guest today, Ann Lewandowski, is involved with. The suit mostly on our radar today is the one where an EBC (employee benefit consult...

EP475: Is This a Moment or a Movement? With Peter Hayes
May 08, 2025
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EP475: Is This a Moment or a Movement? With Peter Hayes

I was talking to Peter Hayes, my guest this week; and I said, “Peter, you post a lot about many, many different topics on LinkedIn and elsewhere. If you had to roll up all of your posts into a few main, I don’t know, change-making vectors or forces of change, roads to Damascus, what would they be? ...

EP474: Private Equity in Healthcare—The Big Data Points You Really Need to Know, All Together in One Episode, With Yashaswini Singh, PhD
May 01, 2025
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EP474: Private Equity in Healthcare—The Big Data Points You Really Need to Know, All Together in One Episode, With Yashaswini Singh, PhD

Lots of talk and lots of research these days about private equity in healthcare, so I am so pleased to bring you Yashaswini Singh, PhD, who is one of the authors of a lot of that research. Dr. Yashaswini Singh has been spending the last several years trying to understand the corporate transformatio...

EP473: Keeping Patients out of the ER: How Trusted Relationships in Primary Care Should Work. A Take 2 With Kenny Cole, MD
April 24, 2025
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34:5331.93 MB

EP473: Keeping Patients out of the ER: How Trusted Relationships in Primary Care Should Work. A Take 2 With Kenny Cole, MD

I’m revisiting, in a take two, this episode with Dr. Kenny Cole because I’m listening to it this time with a new focus. That focus is the theme that keeps coming up over and over and over again on Relentless Health Value these past few months. For a full transcript of this episode, click here . If ...

EP472: The Well-Honed, Three-Prong Hospital Playbook to Maximize Revenue From High-Cost Claimants, With Eric Bricker, MD
April 17, 2025
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EP472: The Well-Honed, Three-Prong Hospital Playbook to Maximize Revenue From High-Cost Claimants, With Eric Bricker, MD

For a full transcript of this episode, click here . So, let’s continue themes from prior episodes, most particularly the episode from last week with Christine Hale, MD, MBA ( EP471 ), which was also about high-cost claimants and just the impact that they have on the wallets of self-insured employer...

EP471: High-Cost Claimants in 2025 and Beyond—What Is Really Expensive Not to Know? With Christine Hale, MD, MBA
April 10, 2025
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EP471: High-Cost Claimants in 2025 and Beyond—What Is Really Expensive Not to Know? With Christine Hale, MD, MBA

Recently on Relentless Health Value, we’ve been tinkering around with a few recurring themes—recurring through lines—that are just true about American healthcare these days. For a full transcript of this episode, click here . If you enjoy this podcast, be sure to subscribe to the free weekly newsle...

EP470: Continuing the ER and Primary Care Through Line Over to Rural Hospitals and Healthcare, With Nikki King, DHA
April 03, 2025
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EP470: Continuing the ER and Primary Care Through Line Over to Rural Hospitals and Healthcare, With Nikki King, DHA

So, the show today, it’s sort of an encore but not really an encore because I recorded this whole new introduction that you are currently listening to. And I also did a few inserts that we popped into the show itself. Inserts from the future, you might say. For a full transcript of this episode, cl...

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