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EP457: It’s a Big Thing: Medical Spread Pricing. So, Let’s Talk About Contract Transparency, With Cynthia Fisher
Relentless Health ValueDecember 05, 2024
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34:1531.35 MB

EP457: It’s a Big Thing: Medical Spread Pricing. So, Let’s Talk About Contract Transparency, With Cynthia Fisher

Listen On Your Favorite App I’m putting a meme in the show notes. It’s my second meme ever, so I’m clearly on a roll. As you can see, it’s a picture of two kids taking a test; and the one kid is cheating off the other kid. It’s a How to Do Spread Pricing test, and the kid with carrier has his eyes a...

Encore! EP418: Mark Cuban With a PSA for CEOs and CFOs of Self-insured Employers, With Mark Cuban and Ferrin Williams, PharmD, MBA, From Scripta
Relentless Health ValueNovember 21, 202456:1651.51 MB

Encore! EP418: Mark Cuban With a PSA for CEOs and CFOs of Self-insured Employers, With Mark Cuban and Ferrin Williams, PharmD, MBA, From Scripta

Listen On Your Favorite App This show from last year was one of the most popular episodes of the past year. And it’s also extremely relevant right now, given all of the PBM (pharmacy benefit manager) goings-on, as well as ongoing litigation like the J&J lawsuit , etc. Listen to the show with Jul...

Encore! EP415: Some Jumbo Employers Buying Better Healthcare Outcomes While Saving 15% on Total Cost of Care, With Rob Andrews
Relentless Health ValueNovember 14, 202439:3936.29 MB

Encore! EP415: Some Jumbo Employers Buying Better Healthcare Outcomes While Saving 15% on Total Cost of Care, With Rob Andrews

Listen On Your Favorite App This encore is very relevant after the shows with Cora Opsahl ( EP452 ), Claire Brockbank ( EP453 ), and Marilyn Bartlett ( EP450 ). Getting better health for the 160 million Americans covered by commercial insurance is all about rates, rights, and power. For a full trans...

EP453: Running a TPA (Third-Party Administrator) RFP Process That Is Less of a Wild West Fiduciary Shootout, With Claire Brockbank
Relentless Health ValueOctober 17, 2024
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37:0033.87 MB

EP453: Running a TPA (Third-Party Administrator) RFP Process That Is Less of a Wild West Fiduciary Shootout, With Claire Brockbank

Listen on Your Favorite App TPA stands for third-party administrator. RFP stands for request for proposal. I’m kicking off the show today with a review that we got recently on Apple Podcasts, and not just because it’s a really nice review. It’s because it’s relevant on about nine levels to the show ...

EP452: Fiduciary Duty vs the Healthcare Status Quo, With Cora Opsahl

EP452: Fiduciary Duty vs the Healthcare Status Quo, With Cora Opsahl

Listen On Your Favorite App Last time Cora Opsahl was on the show, Michelle Bernabe, RN, KAT, wrote a comment on LinkedIn I thought encapsulated the gist of it all so well. She wrote, “[Cora] first became a mentor/ally through Relentless Health Value episode 372 . … It opened a doorway to a whole gr...

The Euphemism That Has Become Value-Based Care, With Elizabeth Mitchell—Summer Shorts 9
Relentless Health ValueAugust 29, 202417:1415.77 MB

The Euphemism That Has Become Value-Based Care, With Elizabeth Mitchell—Summer Shorts 9

Listen On Your Favorite App I was talking to one health plan sponsor, and she told me if she sees any charges for value-based care anything on any one of the contracts that get handed to her, she crosses them off so fast it’s like her superpower. For a full transcript of this episode, click here . I...

EP445: Can a Primary-Care-Only Practice Survive in 2024? With Tom X. Lee, MD
Relentless Health ValueJuly 25, 2024
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47:5343.83 MB

EP445: Can a Primary-Care-Only Practice Survive in 2024? With Tom X. Lee, MD

Listen On Your Favorite App In this healthcare podcast, I am talking with Tom X. Lee, MD, who has a long history in primary care. He founded One Medical and then also, most recently, Galileo. Dr. Lee also was a founder at Epocrates (tossing that in for context). For a full transcript of this episode...

Encore! EP397: The Minefield That Is a PBM Contract and Also Some Advice for EBCs Who Are Taking Money Under the Table, With Paul Holmes
Relentless Health ValueJuly 18, 202434:1531.35 MB

Encore! EP397: The Minefield That Is a PBM Contract and Also Some Advice for EBCs Who Are Taking Money Under the Table, With Paul Holmes

Listen on Your Favorite App Today is an encore because I am going on vacation next week. It always feels a little bit like a time warp because by the time this show will air, I will be back from vacation. This show with Paul Holmes was one of the most popular episodes of 2023 and definitely is just ...

EP442: A Short Rumination on Saving Money, Except Not Saving Money. Oncology Side Effect Management as a Case Study, With Andreas Mang
Relentless Health ValueJune 27, 2024
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18:5117.25 MB

EP442: A Short Rumination on Saving Money, Except Not Saving Money. Oncology Side Effect Management as a Case Study, With Andreas Mang

Listen On Your Favorite App This week, I’m gonna play an outtake, I guess it could be called, from the show with Andreas Mang from Blackstone that we wound up cutting for reasons of time and topic; but it’s been on my mind ever since. So, here’s this clip; and then I’m gonna invite you to partake in...

EP436: Let’s Talk About TPA and Health Plan Inertia Instead of Jumbo Employer Inertia, With Elizabeth Mitchell
Relentless Health ValueMay 16, 2024
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41:3338.03 MB

EP436: Let’s Talk About TPA and Health Plan Inertia Instead of Jumbo Employer Inertia, With Elizabeth Mitchell

Listen On Your Favorite App The episode today is somewhat of a follow-on to the show with Lauren Vela, which was episode 406 about employer inertia. If we’re talking about inertia, though, we’d be remiss not to get a little circumspect about the whole affair and subject some other stakeholders to ou...

EP433: The Mystery of the Weekly Claims Wire: What Are Plan Sponsors Actually Paying For Each Week? With Justin Leader
Relentless Health ValueApril 18, 2024
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40:0036.61 MB

EP433: The Mystery of the Weekly Claims Wire: What Are Plan Sponsors Actually Paying For Each Week? With Justin Leader

On the show today, I am going to use the term TPA (third-party administrator) and ASO (administrative services only) vendor kind of interchangeably here. But these are the entities that a plan sponsor—for example, a self-insured employer is a plan sponsor—but these plan sponsors will use to administ...

EP431: How Accountability for Outcomes Works in the Real World With Kenny Cole, MD
Relentless Health ValueMarch 21, 2024
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39:2436.06 MB

EP431: How Accountability for Outcomes Works in the Real World With Kenny Cole, MD

There’s this meme that’s going around on the interwebs with the caption, “Sometimes the shortest distance in between two places isn’t a straight line.” What? Yeah, because actually there’s three dimensions in the real world. So, when we all consider the real world, understanding the contours of real...

EP421: Wildly Improving Outcomes When the Patient Is, for Reals, in the Center—For Maternity and Beyond, With Jodilyn Owen
Relentless Health ValueDecember 14, 2023
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35:3532.57 MB

EP421: Wildly Improving Outcomes When the Patient Is, for Reals, in the Center—For Maternity and Beyond, With Jodilyn Owen

For a full transcript of this episode, click here . I want to kick off this show with a clip from episode 415 with Rob Andrews, wherein he so very eloquently sets the stage here: We think that one of the core problems here is that too many intermediaries and providers in the system, their compen...

EP419: The Financialization of Health Benefits for Boards of Directors and C-Suites of Self-Insured Employers, With Andreas Mang
Relentless Health ValueNovember 30, 2023
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38:2035.09 MB

EP419: The Financialization of Health Benefits for Boards of Directors and C-Suites of Self-Insured Employers, With Andreas Mang

Are you on the board of directors of a company? Or are you a shareholder of a publicly traded company? Or are you a CEO or a CFO who reports to a board of directors or these shareholders? Well, this show is for you. And it’s about how the healthcare industry has become financialized at the same time...

Encore! EP365: The Real Deal With PBM Contracts and Drug Rebates, With Scott Haas
Relentless Health ValueJune 22, 202333:0545.42 MB

Encore! EP365: The Real Deal With PBM Contracts and Drug Rebates, With Scott Haas

I hope you enjoy this encore episode of one of the most popular shows in the last 12 months. One of my mentors often said price is irrelevant. He said he would sell anything for any price as long as he could define the terms of the deal. During this conversation today with Scott Haas about PBMs (p...

EP390: What Legislators Need to Know About Hospital Prices, With Gloria Sachdev, PharmD, and Chris Skisak, PhD
Relentless Health ValueJanuary 12, 2023
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34:4447.7 MB

EP390: What Legislators Need to Know About Hospital Prices, With Gloria Sachdev, PharmD, and Chris Skisak, PhD

If you go to the Sage Transparency dashboard Web site , you get a really graphical representation of the prices that any given hospital actually needs to charge so that they break even. You can see precisely which hospitals are operating on thin margins and which ones are not. You might be thinking,...

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